Below is an excellent speech delivered by Mathias Cormann,
Senator for Western Australia, on February 5, 2009. Notice how sensitive Senator Kerry O’Brien
was to some of his remarks.
Senator Cormann makes a critical but very simple point that successive Labor governments
have failed to understand: governments cannot inject new money into an economy. He also
mentions the disgraceful nonparticipation of government Senators in the debate on the
stimulus package, and the challenges posed by President Obama's shift towards protectionism.
Senator CORMANN (Western Australia) (4:17 PM) —These are serious times,
of course, and serious times require serious action, not just any action but serious
action. I know that politicians in the face of a crisis want to do something, they
want to be seen to be doing something, but just doing ‘something’, just
to be seen to be doing ‘something’, is not enough. Serious times require
serious consideration of what is the best way forward for Australia. It requires
serious engagement between government and opposition, not a government that comes
in here and says: ‘Take it or leave it. We want to spend $42 billion of taxpayers’
money. Just roll over and within 36 hours we want to sign off on it.’ That
is sheer arrogance. It is reckless and irresponsible and for the government to even
expect that we would go along with it is just breathtaking. We have the responsibility
to give serious consideration to this legislation to ensure that what we do here
in Canberra does not make things worse across Australia.
Yes, we are facing a serious and significant economic challenge, but this package
is not the answer. This is a reckless package. It is a misguided, ill-thought-out
package. It is a package put out by a government in panic mode. Faced with a global
economic downturn, the government has pushed the panic button instead of coming
up with some real solutions. Faced with a global economic downturn, Labor has reverted
to type—spend, spend, spend; tax, tax, tax; borrow, borrow, borrow—like
Senator Cash has just said. They are spending like drunken sailors. ‘Let’s
throw some more money at the wall and see what happens.’
This latest Labor government continues, of course, in the bad tradition of previous
Labor administrations. Labor has a history of mismanaging our economy. Under Paul
Keating it was the ‘recession we had to have’ and a $96 billion deficit.
Today under Prime Minister Rudd it is a deficit we have to have—and a $111
billion deficit at that. And let us not forget the socialism we had to have under
Gough Whitlam, or the bank nationalisation we had to have under Ben Chifley. What
else are we going to have? Are we going to put the economic potential of this great
nation of ours at risk under future Labor administrations? At the end of the day,
every time Labor has been in charge of the economy it has ended up in tears, with
the Australian people having to foot the bill.
If the government happens to be successful in getting this package through, this
will also end up in tears and it will be the Australian people yet again who will
have to foot the bill. This $42 billion package does nothing to fix the problems
we are facing. This package will actually make things worse. This package is reckless,
it is ineffective and it is the wrong way to go. How did the government want the
opposition to deal with this? They wanted us to rubber-stamp $42 billion in additional
spending. They wanted this parliament, the parliament representing the people of
Australia, to approve $42 billion in spending in less than 36 hours—more than
one billion dollars per hour of scrutiny. To expect us to go along with this is
just scandalous.
The Leader of the Government in the Senate was having a go at the opposition in
question time yesterday—he did it again today and he did it this morning as
he was introducing this legislation—because we were not prepared to give up
our job of holding the government to account. I made the odd interjection yesterday
in question time and on one interjection I was pulled up by the President for calling
the Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator Evans, a hypocrite, and I withdrew—
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT (Senator Forshaw)—Order! Senator
Cormann, I do not think it is appropriate for you, under the guise of referring
to a ruling that was made yesterday, to repeat that in the manner you have and I
ask you to refrain from so doing.
Senator CORMANN —I would like to seek a formal ruling on that, because
I have not actually reflected on Senator Evans in any way. What I want to do and
what I intended to do is explain why I think the comments by the Leader of the Government
in the Senate in question time yesterday and again this morning were hypocritical.
I had a private conversation with the President of the Senate yesterday and he advised
me very clearly on what I was able to do and not able to do, but if your ruling
is different from what the President of the Senate advised me yesterday privately
then I will take your guidance.
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT —I am happy to seek the guidance of the
President. What I did was draw your attention to what I believe was where you were
straying into unparliamentary remarks. It is not appropriate, nor is it in order—in
fact, I understand it is a breach of the standing orders—to repeat, by way
of quotation, remarks which have already been called unparliamentary. I would ask
you to return to your speech on the matter before the chamber.
Senator CORMANN —Let me explain why I think the comments made by the
Leader of the Government in the Senate in question time yesterday and again this
morning after introducing these bills into the Senate, having a go at us for insisting
on some appropriate levels of scrutiny, were hypocritical. In doing so I quote from
a speech that Senator Evans gave to the Subiaco branch of the Australian Labor Party,
at the Irish Club in Subiaco on 28 June 2007—less than two years ago—at
6.30 pm:
Labor recognises the role and value of an empowered Senate. Our support for the
Senate has grown as it has developed into an effective political institution.
Now, listen to this:
Labor—in government or opposition—supports the Senate as a strong house
of review, scrutiny and accountability. The fact is that the Australian parliament
constructed better legislation when governments had to negotiate and argue their
case in the Senate. We got better legislation when bills were thoroughly scrutinised
by committees. The public had their input and governments were forced to listen
and respond.
That is why I think that the comments that the leader of the government made in
the Senate yesterday and again today are hypocritical.
We are talking about spending $42 billion of taxpayers’ money. We are talking
about a package that the Australian has described as ‘Rudd goes for
broke’. Let us reflect on that just for a moment. ‘Rudd goes for broke’,
according to the Australian, refers to none other than the Prime Minister
of the Commonwealth of Australia. When the Prime Minister goes for broke, the whole
of Australia goes for broke. When the Prime Minister goes for broke, he forces Australians
to go for broke. Australians have seen too many Labor prime ministers going for
broke before. I put it to you that Australians do not want Australia to go for broke.
Australians want a government that manages the economy carefully, skilfully and
effectively. Australians want a government committed to sound and sensible economic
management.
It is important to remember that governments cannot actually inject new money into
the economy. Whatever the current government may believe, this is a very important
reality. I do not think that this administration has quite understood it. Governments
cannot inject new money into the economy. All that governments can do is redistribute
money they have taken out of the economy by taxing individual Australians or businesses
of today and tomorrow. They are forcing future generations of Australians to pay
more in taxes to repay a significant borrowing of up to $111 billion or $200 billion,
according to the package that this government is going to impose on future generations.
Would this $42 billion generate economic activity? Of course it would—$42
billion is a lot of money—but what sort of economic activity? All that the
$42 billion package would do, by throwing more money at the wall, is create artificial
demand—and, not only that, it will create artificial supply. You will have
all those people out there with a ute in the back of their garage offering insulation.
Whether they currently specialise in it or are responding to a genuine demand does
not matter; the government is now creating artificial supply and artificial demand
that does not correlate to genuine demand. What happens when the money runs out?
Guess what—even $42 billion runs out one day. As soon as that $42 billion
runs out, you will have all those people used to this government’s largesse
coming through responding to a demand that is not real demand and responding to
a demand that was created by government intervention.
What will happen to unemployment? The government will say, ‘All those people
will be unemployed. Let’s put some more money out there, let’s create
some more artificial demand and let’s create some more artificial supply,’
rather than let the market decide what it is that individual Australians want or
need. Here we have a government who think: ‘We’ll take some money from
these taxpayers over here and we’ll decide how you should spend it; we’ll
decide how it is best allocated. Whether you need it or whether you want it, it
doesn’t matter.’
Governments are not better at distributing resources in a more productive way than
individuals. The arrogance of the government in the way they want to push this through
the Senate is breathtaking. Labor wanted us to rubber-stamp this within 36 hours,
without scrutiny, without asking too many questions. Have the government given us
any reason to have confidence in their capacity to manage the economy? Have they
given us any reason over the last 14 months to be prepared to sign a blank cheque?
Let us reflect on what has happened over the last 14 months. Before the last election
we had the then Leader of the Opposition deceiving the Australian people into believing
that he is an economic conservative, when now all he is is good old-fashioned Comrade
Kevin. We had the inflation genie ‘being out of the bottle’. They were
talking up inflation and talking up interest rates for political purposes, even
though that was not in the best interests of the Australian people and even though
that was not in the best interests of the Australian economy. What has happened
to the inflation genie? Have we heard about the inflation genie in recent months?
It has gone, hasn’t it? Yes, it has.
Then we have the budget. In the lead-up to the budget, all the rhetoric was we had
to cut spending and it was going to be a tough budget. What happened? The government
increased spending by $15 billion. They increased taxes by $20 billion. That was
the only way that they were able to keep any sort of surplus at budget time: increasing
taxes by $20 billion. When Labor came into government just over a year ago, they
took over a $22 billion surplus. Now we are talking about temporary deficits. The
reality is this: deficits under Labor are never temporary; they never are. Labor
have got a plan to get us into deficit; they do not have a plan to get us out of
deficit. We have the bank guarantee fiasco, and I do not even have to go into the
detail of that as I am sure that the Senate well remembers the fiasco of the unlimited
bank guarantee. Take the $10.4 billion cash splash. What has that done?
While all this has been going on, we have got the government telling us this is
the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. That is what has been said
in this chamber again over the last couple of days and that is what I have heard
Labor ministers, including the Prime Minister, say in recent weeks. If it is the
greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, why aren’t they having
a more serious look at the impact of their proposed Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme?
Why don’t they even model the impact on the economy and the impact on jobs
of the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, an additional tax on carbon in the context
of the global financial crisis? Treasury admitted that they have not done that.
They have not done their job. From Paul Howse of the Australian Workers Union to
Dr Brian Fisher, who has done some modelling for the Senate Select Committee on
Fuel and Energy, a whole range of responsible and good people are calling on the
government to do the responsible thing and conduct that modelling. But, no, they
say, ‘Who cares? It’s not necessary. We’ve done modelling even
though we haven’t looked at that.’ It cannot be so bad then if in the
government’s view they do not think it is necessary to model the impact of
the global financial crisis on their Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. It cannot
be so bad in your mind, can it? I do not really understand where the government
are coming from. While I am thinking of that, and while we are talking about the
Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, I note that in the United States one of the things
that President Obama—and Kevin Rudd is keen to be associated with the new
momentum of President Obama—is doing is actually becoming more protectionist.
Have you heard about this? President Obama is introducing some more protectionist
policies in the United States of America to actually—
Senator O’Brien interjecting—
Senator CORMANN —Yes, I know; you spoke
out against it.
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT (Senator Forshaw)—Order! Senators!
Senator O’Brien, you will endeavour to refrain from interjecting. Senator
Cormann, you will address your remarks through the chair. Senator Fierravanti-Wells,
you will not speak while I am addressing the chamber.
Senator CORMANN —Thank you, Mr Acting Deputy President. This is actually
a very important point. This is a quite critical point for jobs, particularly in
the steel industry. President Obama is seeking to support the steel industry in
the United States at the expense of the steel industry here in Australia by introducing
protectionist policies in the United States. At the same time this government is
looking at implementing a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme which is going to impose
additional costs on our exporters and which is going to make it more attractive
for importers and which is going to make it more difficult for Australian manufacturers
to export overseas. How does all of that fit together? How can this government think
that it is not economically responsible to do some proper, thorough Treasury modelling
into the economic impact of its proposed CPRS, particularly in the context of a
changed world environment and in the context of some of the things that are happening
overseas, particularly in the United States of America?
We have got this $42 billion cash splash. What is this going to do? It is going
to end up with us having $111 billion worth of debt, for starters, and even up to
$200 billion of debt, with a $9,500 debt for every Australian. This is absolute
panic stuff, in the great tradition of the Labor Party. There is absolutely no doubt
that this is Whitlamesque. I read comments by some commentators in the Australian
who were critical of coalition members of parliament making that association. But
let us reflect on that. Gough Whitlam was Prime Minister at a time of international
economic turmoil. Kevin Rudd is Prime Minister at a time of international economic
turmoil. Gough Whitlam thought he could spend his way out of trouble. Kevin Rudd
thinks he can spend his way out of trouble. Gough Whitlam went to great lengths
to borrow more and more money when he was getting into trouble because he could
not keep up with it all. Kevin Rudd wants to borrow more and more money. Kevin Rudd
wants to increase our bankcard to $200 billion—a staggering $200 billion.
It is mind-boggling. Senators opposite are going to go down in the history of Australia
as having been complicit in taking Australia into the largest debt ever in the history
of the Commonwealth. In 20 years time people will look back at this chamber’s
members and they will say, ‘What did those senators do? Why didn’t they
do their job? Why didn’t they hold the government to account? Why didn’t
they stop this from happening?’ We have on the other side senators who are
not even prepared to stand up and talk about it. Do you know why? The government
has told the senators on the other side not to participate in the debate, so they
just shut up.
Senator O’Brien interjecting—
Senator CORMANN —Are you allowed to
speak in this debate?
Senator O’Brien interjecting—
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT —Order! Senator O’Brien, I have asked
you previously to cease interjecting and I have asked Senator Cormann not to respond.
Senator O’Brien —But—
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT —Excuse me, Senator! I was about to ask
Senator Cormann to address his remarks through the chair rather than debate across
the chamber.
Senator O’Brien —Mr Acting Deputy President, I rise on a point
of order. Is it in order for the senator to fabricate the position of a senator
across the chamber? Is that a misrepresentation or a reflection?
The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT —Senator O’Brien, that is not a point
of order. And I might just, while I am speaking, remind Senator Cormann that it
is appropriate, if you refer to a member of the other house or the Prime Minister,
to address them in the appropriate manner—by their title or Mr or Mrs.
Senator CORMANN —Senators on the other side are very touchy, aren’t
they? Very, very touchy, aren’t they, those senators on the other side? Through
you, Mr Acting Deputy President, I would like to know whether one of those senators
is actually going to participate in this debate, because I believe—and I am
happy to stand corrected; I am happy for a senator on the other side to get up,
ask for the call and correct my statement—that senators on the other side
have been told by their government not to participate in this debate. I believe
that senators on the other side have been told not to scrutinise, not to speak,
not to in any way question or participate in the debate about this $42 billion package.
In my view, they are just sitting there and not doing their job. The point I am
making is that senators on the other side will go down in Australian history as
not having done their job at a crucial time. At a time when we are facing significant
economic challenges, the Labor side—in this Senate, at least—were not
prepared to participate in this debate.
I will sum up by going back to where I started. These are serious times—of
course they are. These are serious times which require serious action, not just
any action. This package is not serious. The way the government have sought to rush
this package of bills through the parliament is not serious. The way the government
are treating this debate is not serious. If the government were serious about doing
the right thing by the Australian people, if the government were serious about doing
something that is going to help take the Australian economy forward, they would
engage sincerely with the opposition. They would take up the offer of Malcolm Turnbull,
the Leader of the Opposition, to engage constructively with the opposition and have
a discussion about how we can come up with a more sensible package, a package that
is actually going to make a difference.